1. 2-6 pages typed. generally correct grammar or spelling--except dialogue or examples. get your point across with some kind of flow. should use proper english when telling a story, but not in dialogue. should be informal--can use I and YOU. you should title it. it can be non-fiction or fiction.
2. should use quote and examples from the text. 5 paragraph essay. 2-6 pages, double-spaced. casual writing. favorite paragraph class--could use that as an example. you should use your opinion rather than just facts.
3. want to give ourselves our own grade. we should choose our own grade and will tell you why we deserve the grade. 2 page minimum and 5 page maximum. if you choose to write your own story that is connected to one of the stories in the book, then you need to be specific about which story you are writing about. correct grammar unless you are using dialogue. [need other people to read in class to judge...group? others?]
4. approximately 3 pages to get your point across. personal, but you should use a works cited page if citing examples from the text. use your own experiences in the text. informal.
5. include your own opinion and life experiences. good conclusing. catches readers' attention. powerful thesis statement. stay on topic. support your thesis. no less than 2 pages.
6. 2 or more pages. opinionated. be informal can use I. stay on topic, don't drift on to another topic. .
Monday, September 18, 2006
Both
Both essays had much meaning behind them. The way in which the they were written may have made readers skip over the importance of Tame a Wild Tongue. In "tame" there are many parts of the text in which the author rattles of whole sentences in spanish and sometimes a paragraph. This makes reading the paper hard and the audience might not know what she is talking about. But that is the point. This language barrier is how she lives everyday of her life and by throwing in a language most of us can not understand is shows us the difficulty. The second essay about highschool is more to the point about being well rounded. The way in which it was written allows most readers to comprehend easily and that may make us gravitate towards the conclusion that this was a more well written essay.
i liked the highschool article more probably because i was just stuck in that life. i loved highschool because i learned alot about myself and life in general. to read about others highschool day and to relate it to issues me and others have experienced was crazy.the wild tongue article was not that interesting to me. i just didnt understand the point the writing was trying to get across.
June and Delpit
Both June and Delpit both talk about education and the differences between a white student and a black student. June speaks of two forms of English, the first being standard English and the second as Black English. Black English is what Junes students speak in class bout can not understand when reading out the book "The color purple". What June says about these two languages is that even though they sound so different both can express the same ideas with the same effectiveness but only if people are willing to accept both are languages. June and the student come to this acceptance but they realize most of the world will not. The true story they write together of a fallen peer goes unheard as the society around them will not tolerate this Black Language.
As for Delpit she focuses more on the learning differences between black children and white. It is not the just language they speak but the culture they are raised in. White teacher's believe black children have no fluency when they speak. This is not true the speak in different ways says Delpit. White children have the skills for "correct speech" so fluency is what is stressed. White families teach this at home in everyday life. The black culture is fluent if you are to listen to it says Delpit but most do not. Black children need to be taught the skills of literacy because that is what they miss at home. White teachers create the standard for teaching but do not see how smart these black children are. The difference is cultures creates a need for differences in teaching.
As for Delpit she focuses more on the learning differences between black children and white. It is not the just language they speak but the culture they are raised in. White teacher's believe black children have no fluency when they speak. This is not true the speak in different ways says Delpit. White children have the skills for "correct speech" so fluency is what is stressed. White families teach this at home in everyday life. The black culture is fluent if you are to listen to it says Delpit but most do not. Black children need to be taught the skills of literacy because that is what they miss at home. White teachers create the standard for teaching but do not see how smart these black children are. The difference is cultures creates a need for differences in teaching.
Sunday, September 17, 2006
Both Essays
Reading the first essay about high school i could relate to it because it basically reffered to a teenagers typical highschool life. The essay basically mentioned of how the highschool life prepares you for the real world. It helps to round you as a person testing to see if you can handle and prepare yourself for the obstacles ahead. The wild tongue i couldn't really understand because she kept going back and forth from english to spanish and that really ticked me off. But I felt that the message that she was trying to get across was that she felt as though noone respected her and her cultural language.
Saturday, September 16, 2006
Both the Essays
In my opinion both the essays were both non-informal at all because it didn't serve a purpose to anything I would actually read about. Like the High school essays I mean what was that all about it didn't really spark any vibes on a average day of school. On some part I may say did seem like he was just bored himself so it bored me even more. But the spanish essay was getting on my nerves with all the spanish she was speaking so it made me skip over the words even more. The only good thing I got out of the spanish essay really was all she had to go through with the different setting and languages she had to speak to certain people.
Friday, September 15, 2006
Wild tongue/High School
I really liked the High School essay one because not only did it interest me in reading about that students day, it also made me want to read more. In High School there is alot of stupid stuff that we used to do, but some of it was really important. Why would teacher makes us do that if it wasnt for our benifit? The wild tongue essay, I did not really like. Not only because of all the spanish in there but because it was hard to follow and understand. Even though I can relate to it and doing the same things sometimes, it was hard for me to follow all the ideas in it.
Wednesday, September 13, 2006
Brainstorming ideas for paper #1
1. paper about the main topic--the clash of languages or cultures in some way...and how about how it should be very like opinionated--everythng we have read has been the opinion of the author or their story. We should be able to use I...connect all these stories about language and culture together.
2. take one of the essays and make it your own...tell your own stories...choose one of the ideas and make it your own...say how you connect to it.
3. likes it that i like just said...the main topic--clash of languages the struggle for what you think is right.
4. identifying yourself as someone...different personalities/backgrounds...standing for what you think is right...
5. two topics: a. discrimination in the past and the world today. b. traditional roles of education and their effectiveness in the classroom.
6. what form and what different styles are most effective...how important the reader response is for the audience you are writing for.
2. take one of the essays and make it your own...tell your own stories...choose one of the ideas and make it your own...say how you connect to it.
3. likes it that i like just said...the main topic--clash of languages the struggle for what you think is right.
4. identifying yourself as someone...different personalities/backgrounds...standing for what you think is right...
5. two topics: a. discrimination in the past and the world today. b. traditional roles of education and their effectiveness in the classroom.
6. what form and what different styles are most effective...how important the reader response is for the audience you are writing for.
wild tongue/what highschool is
To be totally honest I didn't care for either of the essays. If I had to pick one that I liked better it would be What High School Is. Anzaldua's essay jumped from one language to another, which made it very hard to follow. She was trying to get across a point about the way different languages are viewed. I don't feel that it was worth while explaining that with some words they get rid of certain letters to make it sound different. If I didn't have some knowledge of spanish it wouldn't have made any difference to me about what they changed because I wouldn't know how to pronounce the words in the first place. Over all Anzaldua's essay didn't interest or make a lot of sence to me. What High School Is was a little bit more interesting, but it was also easier to read and follow which was nice. The highschool day was similar to mine but not exactly the same. I agree with the points that were made at the end of this essay. I just don't understand why we had to have such a detailed view of Mark's day to get to those points.
Wild Tongue/High School
Both of these essays I didn't care too much about. I felt that in the High School essay I thought it had a lot of information that was pointless. Although I felt the author was correct on the seven things they only teach you in high school. The high school day that was decribed in this essay was similar to the day that I had experienced in high school. The "Wild Tongue" confused me by them throwing in spanish words or phases, which I had know idea what they were talking about. I felt I missed a lot of this essay by them comfusing me with the spanish words. That is pretty amazing to be able to speack seven different languages. I felt that these essays weren't as detailed and interesting as the last few we read.
high school/ spanish
Yeah, reading through Marks day of High school brought back alot of memories because I was so easily related to almost everything that happened. For instance, I even had 11th grade english in room 304 (i thought that was kind of odd). But i guess what that dude was trying to say was that high school is more then just learning how to read write and do math and more of building yourself to get ready for everything in the real world. Getting a job, going to college, all that kind of stuff. it was alright
Now the Spanish thing was ok... i didnt get through it all but it reminded me alot of black english but in spanish. Instead of using Black or English they used Chicano and Spanish. But yeah i had a difficult time reading that, because i cant read spanish except like hola and stuff but not any of the things they said. They probably had and made a good point or moral or whatever though.
Now the Spanish thing was ok... i didnt get through it all but it reminded me alot of black english but in spanish. Instead of using Black or English they used Chicano and Spanish. But yeah i had a difficult time reading that, because i cant read spanish except like hola and stuff but not any of the things they said. They probably had and made a good point or moral or whatever though.
Tongue/High School
I liked the Anzaldua essay because I can relate to her. I am half spanish and i know what she is talking about when she speaks of the differences in the way different hispanics speak. I also liked the old spanish sayings because I hear them around where I live. I did not like the Sizer essay because it was somewhat drawn out and boring, though i can relate with Mark because it sounds like a day in my highschool.
High school/Wild toungue
Ok where should I begin. I started to read Wild Toungue and I didn't really care for it. I know that sounds a little harsh but how can I understand the point when half of the story is in Spanish. I took two semesters of high school spanish, and thats it! I guess I did understand what she wanted to say but switching back from English to Spanish got too confusing to follow.
As for the High School essay, it was a little hard to pick up on the message. It was just basically your average day at a high school. I noticed that most of the begining of the article was about someone's day at school, so I skipped around to the better parts. Once I got there, I came to find myself agreeing with what was being said. I like how the author says "School is to be like a job; you start in the morning and end in the afternoon, five days a week." I think that this statement is very true. Kids have to go to school like adults would have to go to work, everyday, every week until its done.
As for the High School essay, it was a little hard to pick up on the message. It was just basically your average day at a high school. I noticed that most of the begining of the article was about someone's day at school, so I skipped around to the better parts. Once I got there, I came to find myself agreeing with what was being said. I like how the author says "School is to be like a job; you start in the morning and end in the afternoon, five days a week." I think that this statement is very true. Kids have to go to school like adults would have to go to work, everyday, every week until its done.
High school/Wild toungue
Ok where should I begin. I started to read Wild Toungue and I didn't really care for it. I know that sounds a little harsh but how can I understand the point when half of the story is in Spanish. I took two semesters of high school spanish, and thats it! I guess I did understand what she wanted to say but switching back from English to Spanish got too confusing to follow.
As for the High School essay, it was a little hard to pick up on the message. It was just basically your average day at a high school. I noticed that most of the begining of the article was about someone's day at school, so I skipped around to the better parts. Once I got there, I came to find myself agreeing with what was being said. I like how the author says "School is to be like a job; you start in the morning and end in the afternoon, five days a week." I think that this statement is very true. Kids have to go to school like adults would have to go to work, everyday, every week until its done.
As for the High School essay, it was a little hard to pick up on the message. It was just basically your average day at a high school. I noticed that most of the begining of the article was about someone's day at school, so I skipped around to the better parts. Once I got there, I came to find myself agreeing with what was being said. I like how the author says "School is to be like a job; you start in the morning and end in the afternoon, five days a week." I think that this statement is very true. Kids have to go to school like adults would have to go to work, everyday, every week until its done.
I am posting my reading on Delpit's writing. Even though I wasn't completely taken away by the writing I did find it quite easy to read. It was nice to see the perspective of teaching in the classroom from a teacher's view. Through our grade school, highschool lives we get the impression teachers just teach us what we need to know we don't ever think about how they actually feel about teaching themselves. This writting shows a teacher actually debating the different types of the education process 2nd handed. Even though I know this writting mentions race as one of her main concerns I tryed to not look at the two teaching styles as a white and black issue,just two different teaching methods. I think it had more to do with the locations of the places where she was and how the environments had impact on the teaching styles and how the students corresponded with them. Even though I didn't feel I could completely relate to her I did like the reading over all.
Late, I konw
Both of the Black English essays were ok. However I did enjoy Jordan's article more. She used examples that gets you captured in her message. I thought it was really funny how her students who actually speak the way the book "The Color Purple" was written and they couldn't understand it. Her story at the end of her article really bothered me, how they wouldn't print the letter just because of how it was written. It just goes to show how racist people can be still. I guess in a way they proved a point. But if I was in that situation, I would be pretty pissed.
Ah... High School
I will have to say I actually somewhat enjoyed both article, to some extent. I like Sizer's article more only because I could totally relate to a day in the life of Mark. His day was almost exactly the same as mine was in high school. Because this was so easy to relate to it made me much more interested in the writing. I'll have to admit though towards the end I didn't become bored with it. This is where Anzaldua's article was much more interesting. The way she wrote the article made it much easier and more fun to read. I have only a little background in Spanish but I ejoyed reading the Spanish that was in the article. It added character to the writting.
Wild Tongue/High School
I started reading the "Wild Tongue" essay first and didn't finish it because I couldn't relate,nor did I care about the seven dialects of Spanish. Everytime he was trying to explain a point he did it using Spanish. I didn't like how he jumped around and I didn't care to learn Spanish words. I began reading the second essay, and was guided through an average school day much like a day in my high school. After the description of the school day was over, I was waiting to here the main point and be ready to say," wow good point," but this never came. It was just boring to read. I did agree with how the author descibed high school. I liked the basis for the seven things they try to teach you in high school. I thought that was right on.
What High School Is/How To Tame A Wild Tongue
To be honest, I really did not care for either of these essays. I was confused for most of it. I understood the basic meaning the author was trying to convey to their audience, but I didn't really follow the way the authors chose to write their essays. For example, in "...Wild Toungue" Anzaldua switches back and forth from Spanish to English. Having taken three years of Spanish I somewhat understood what was being said, but it was still difficult to understand why she chose to do this. Also, she chose to talk about so many differnt forms of Spanish it was hard to follow what language she was talking about. One minute she was talking about Chicano Spanish, and the next she was talking about using TexMex with her siblings. I found this to be extremely confusing. Overall, I didn't hate the essay, but had a hard time reading it . It definately was not one of my favorites.
The next essay, "What High School is" i found to be somewhat interesting. Although, I wasn't completely sure why this essay was chosen only because we all lived this. We each have our own version of what "our high school was" good or bad, we all have our own story. Personally that's why I think we were assigned to read this essay- to read about anothers high school story. In this case we learned the story of Mark. Overall, I didnt mind this essay as much as I did the essay on the "wild toungue."
The next essay, "What High School is" i found to be somewhat interesting. Although, I wasn't completely sure why this essay was chosen only because we all lived this. We each have our own version of what "our high school was" good or bad, we all have our own story. Personally that's why I think we were assigned to read this essay- to read about anothers high school story. In this case we learned the story of Mark. Overall, I didnt mind this essay as much as I did the essay on the "wild toungue."
What High School Is/How To Tame A Wild Tongue
To be honest, I really did not care for either of these essays. I was confused for most of it. I understood the basic meaning the author was trying to convey to their audience, but I didn't really follow the way the authors chose to write their essays. For example, in "...Wild Toungue" Anzaldua switches back and forth from Spanish to English. Having taken three years of Spanish I somewhat understood what was being said, but it was still difficult to understand why she chose to do this. Also, she chose to talk about so many differnt forms of Spanish it was hard to follow what language she was talking about. One minute she was talking about Chicano Spanish, and the next she was talking about using TexMex with her siblings. I found this to be extremely confusing. Overall, I didn't hate the essay, but had a hard time reading it . It definately was not one of my favorites.
The next essay, "What High School is" i found to be somewhat interesting. Although, I wasn't completely sure why this essay was chosen only because we all lived this. We each have our own version of what "our high school was" good or bad, we all have our own story. Personally that's why I think we were assigned to read this essay- to read about anothers high school story. In this case we learned the story of Mark. Overall, I didnt mind this essay as much as I did the essay on the "wild toungue."
The next essay, "What High School is" i found to be somewhat interesting. Although, I wasn't completely sure why this essay was chosen only because we all lived this. We each have our own version of what "our high school was" good or bad, we all have our own story. Personally that's why I think we were assigned to read this essay- to read about anothers high school story. In this case we learned the story of Mark. Overall, I didnt mind this essay as much as I did the essay on the "wild toungue."
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